In this episode, on two separate interviews I feature Josh Garcia, Tohono O'odham tribal member and journalists Todd Miller. During the interview with Josh we discuss the the fifteen integrated fixed towers proposed to be permanently placed along the border within' the boundary of the Tohono O'odham Nation. Josh's' work consists of sharing information on these surveillance towers to tribal members who've never heard of this proposal or have little understanding of it.

As I sat with Todd Miller we first discuss his relation to the Tohono O'odham community and how his work relates to whats happening on the Tohono O'odham Nation in regards to the border. We also discuss his current book titled "Storming the Wall: Climate Change, Migration, & Homeland Security." In his first book titled "Border Patrol Nation: Dispatches from the frontlines of Homeland Security", Todd dedicated an entire chapter to O'odham tribal members. Tune in to hear more about these two perspectives on the southern border.

Date Recorded: January 2018