Ep. 39 Mato Wayuhi

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It's good gosh everyone. This is
Tina, executive producer of Autum Young Voices,

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and I'm here with two of the
podcast team members as well as a

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very special guest who we're absolutely happy
to have here with us on the show.

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And I just want to again thank
you for being here with us.

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You know, we're super excited to
learn all of the good things that you're

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doing, all the things that you're
doing within an outside of Indian country,

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and just to learn who you are
as an individual, where you come from,

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your little bit of your family history. So with that being said,

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I'm going to hand it over to
Bree is going to do you official introduction

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of our guest. Yes, thank
you, Tina. We are here today

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with Nato Yuh. He works in
film and TV as both a producer and

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musical composer, with one of his
most popular projects to dating his work as

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a composer on the award winning Hulu
series Reservation Dogs. He's also on the

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future length film War Pony, and
we'll talk about that more as we get

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more for the conversation, and I
understand he also has some very exciting future

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projects coming up, including a new
album, he's going on tour, and

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he's also scoring on upcoming Marvel and
Disney Plus series. So yes, again,

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we are so excited to have you
here, very appreciative and just thank

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you so much for taking the time
out of your business schedule to be here

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with us and to share your story
with us. And our listeners were really

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excited. Honestly, when I reached
out, I had no idea you were

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gonna genuinely respond. So again,
so thank you so much. So yeah,

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of course I'm happy to be here. So I think first, who

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wanted to ask you just a little
bit about your background, where you're from,

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what tribe you're from, what res
you're from, maybe a little bit

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about your family history and background.
So yeah, yeah, So I am

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from South Dakota. Originally, I
grew up in Sioux Falls, which is

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on the eastern side of the state, and I'm Oglala Lakota from the Pine

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Ridge Reservation and so that's on the
western side of the state, so my

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family is over there. And then
I grew up on the Eastern Side,

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and yeah, I grew up with, you know, a lot of access

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to like traditional Lakota culture, which
was really grateful for and that kind of

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helped me determine I guess, you
know, it just like introduced me to

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music pretty early on. And I
didn't really see much of a difference between

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music and ceremony and culture. It
was kind of all I'm sure you all

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feel the same way in terms of
your culture is kind of all the one

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thing. But man, I loved, Yeah, I loved music growing up,

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like I loved I would just go
somewhere else when I was listening,

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I'd see visuals and it was always
a huge component to my just creativity was

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music. And so I'm really grateful
that, yeah, I got to kind

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of keep going with it. And
I don't know, I was a pretty

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normal kid though, like just kind
of running around and hanging out with family

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and friends and cousins and being outside
a lot, played sports, just a

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normal res kid, I suppose,
Yeah, yeah, I remember. Yeah,

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I had a lot of a lot
of cousins and they were really just

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like instrumental in terms of raising me
and getting learned how to be teased and

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teased. So that was good.
Now I feel like I got like my

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weapons and if anyone wants to try
me, But yeah, it was,

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I don't know, it was.
It was a pretty cool upbringing. I

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mean, I'm really grateful to like
have the folks I did and like experience

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what I did. And then you
know, it's dynamic being native, as

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we all know, the upbringing,
it's a lot. It's a lot of

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good. It's a lot of difficulties
and stuff, but it really helped shape

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my artistry and also just my like
community work. But yeah, that's kind

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of about me. Yeah, thank
you so much for sharing. So kind

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of coming off of that, you
said you had like a normal upbringing,

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So what was it that really pushed
you to go into you know, like

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film school. I think give in
to film school, right, But yeah,

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just I know it's kind of hard
to go into the arts, especially

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as a major, and I know
some a lot of stigma around that sometime.

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So yeah, I was just wondering, you know, what gave you

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the confidence to pursue that and to
go through with that. Yeah, I

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I didn't. I didn't feel like
I really had an option in terms of

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what I could. I knew I
could excel in I think I knew I

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could be probably like proficient in some
stuff, but I didn't think it would

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make me happy. And I I
really started picking up music, not professionally,

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but you know, just like passionately. The cat outside me owing picking

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up one of my I was like, where I'm staying. So I'm like

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that anyway, So I I took
I was taking music serious as I got

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into college, and so it was
interesting where I'm at this school and I

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don't have to I didn't have a
major yet. I was at University of

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Southern California. I didn't have a
major, and I was feeling very pressured

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and very anxious about the whole thing
because I didn't have a major. But

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I was pursuing music on my own
time. But I also, you know,

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the arts oftentimes, I feel like
in university settings are very well,

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they're literally academic because they are academia, but they're very It was a there's

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a barrier of entry, and I
felt like I couldn't do it because I

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didn't I can't read music. You
know. I didn't grow up going to

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choir. I didn't grow up playing
an instrument. I just like the feeling

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of music, and I like to
sing and to rap and stuff. So

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I felt really conflicted. But to
answer your question, yeah, I don't.

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I kind of made an ultimatum.
I said, I'll apply to the

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film school. If I get in, I'll stay in school. If I

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don't, I'll drop out through music
full time. And so I got in,

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thankfully, and so I stuck with
school because I just couldn't imagine dedicating

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myself to anything but art, at
least from like a career standpoint, like

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I would, I would do anything, and I still will do anything in

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terms of making money, like I'll
I don't care, I'll be a waiter,

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I'll paint houses, I'll do anything
I gotta do, just to make

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sure I have that freedom to make
the art that I need to that I

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need to do. And so with
that mindset, that's kind of what led

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me to doing A And I didn't
care about the outcome either, Like I

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was like, I don't care the
stigma about art degrees or anything like that,

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Like if you're happy, I don't
know, and you're contributing something and

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saying something, especially at a time
like we are now and we that we've

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always kind of been, especially the
last like ten years and stuff. I

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just think it was a really it
was a really important thing for me to

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pursue, and I had the privilege
of, you know, pursuing that.

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So yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. No, I definitely think it's really

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important to pursue something that's going to
benefit you, I think holistically, just

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because there are so many negativities going
on, I guess around the world.

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So I love that. I guess
another question I had kind of relating to

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that is I have seen some of
your other interviews and I hear that you

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describe yourself as a multi disciplinary artist. So I was wondering, you know

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what that means to you and you
know how that connects to you know,

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your art. Yeah, I think, and I just feel like multidisciplinary it's

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a buzzword. I can't really say
like what it exactly entails. I think,

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well for me, like if you
break it apart from a just a

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grammatical sense like multidisciplinary having multiple disciplines. And so I guess that was kind

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of how I attributed going to film
school while pursuing music, And there's these

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kind of both different And it's funny
too, because now everything has been so

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democratized, so everyone does everything like
everyone edits video, and which is great.

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I'm really grateful for that. And
I think I got the treatment of

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getting it from like a very kind
of like high brow Hollywood, you know,

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perspective, and so I think when
it got to the point of like

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scoring, I felt multidisciplinary in that
I had a film degree because and I

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watched so many movies and I studied
it, and I studied sound and sound

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design and music, and then I
was tasked with creating music for picture,

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which is cool. It was all
the things coming together kind of it's kind

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of all blending, which is really
that was really exciting. And so I

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think in that regard, and now
I'm starting to act more so that's really

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been really grateful for that to be
able to kind of dip into that a

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little bit with a couple of short
films and then also with res dogs and

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stuff, and so that to me, because to me, like it's not

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people a lot. Sometimes people are
like, oh, yeah, like I'm

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a renaissance person. I do all
this stuff and it's so multi talented,

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multi hyphen it, and I just
want to die and throw up on myself.

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It's like, nah, I don't
like that because we're all a single

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mom, a single mom with two
jobs. That's a multidisciplinary person, you

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know what I mean. That's like
so to me, I've never tried to,

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you know, hyperinflate that title.
I think it is just a literal

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sense of like, I do love
practicing different parts of storytelling, and and

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to me, that's just I'm really
really grateful to be able to do that,

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to dip into these different things.
And that also comes by way of

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like producing, Like I'm executive producing
an upcoming documentary that's coming out, and

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that to me is like, however
I can contribute to the narrative and to

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the story and just make it better, is like I'll do anything. So

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that's kind of where that comes from. I think good question, though I've

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never been asked that. That's a
good question. Thank you. I think

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I've won my question before I handed
over to Tina really quick. But since

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you were talking about, you know, producing music, and I've seen a

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couple of your videos. You actually
like making the music and it's really unique

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and different. But how was how
is that without having had like prior instrumental

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experience. Just because I don't mean
Tina play some instruments, but it's I

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can't imagine having to produce music not
knowing really how you know instruments work,

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or like reading music and all that. Yeah, it was a lot of

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It was a lot of faking it
till I made it, I guess.

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And that's still still this day.
It's so funny like as adults, we're

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all we don't know what we're doing, like no one knows what's going on.

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It's just so so gratifying and reaffirming, like no one knows the hell's

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going on. I remember my mom
told me I think I think I was

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eighteen at the time I was about
to go to school and me, you

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know, my mom is not eighteen. She was I won't just you know,

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disclose her age, but she's years
ahead of me. And we were

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talking about feeling young and feeling old
and whatnot, and she's like, I

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gotta be honest with you. I'm, you know, fifty something years old.

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I still feel eighteen mentally, like
I don't feel like And I'm like,

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wow, that's both tragic and really
reaffirm it, like it's just okay,

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it's cool, Like why did I
bring that up? Oh? Faking

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it till I make it. Yeah, So I yeah, I don't know.

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I think it was off of feeling
right, like off just feeling of

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what felt good together. So even
creating a chord progression. To this day,

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what I'll do is I'll sit down
at a piano and I'll just play,

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and I'll figure out different progressions that
I like, and then i'll have

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one of my one of my buddies
like help me transcribe it, you know,

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and say what I'm doing, kind
of like articulate it to me.

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And I didn't know what that was. It just kind of felt natural.

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And then as I learned more about
music and musicians and the history of specifically

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like jazz and blues and rock and
roll and stuff, it's like that's kind

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of the common practice with a lot
of these because you know, it was

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almost like a response to classical music
and that there's been such a you know,

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elitism that comes by way of like
classical music, sometimes specifically towards like

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musicians of color, where it's like
you can't you know, you need to

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be able to read this type of
music and play this type of style.

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And then jazz in a way was
kind of a response to that. Of

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like, well, we're going to
create music that you can't even digest,

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let alone try to replicate, and
it's going to become and it so,

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and it became what it became,
and so it was kind of indecipherable and

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it wasn't easily translatable, which I
thought was really cool. And then with

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Jimmy Hendrix, I'm sorry, I'm
a nerd. I'm really going off,

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but like Jimmy Hendrix, he didn't
read music either. He just played off

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of feeling, and so it was
really gratifying to like know that there was

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there's been this phenomenon of just playing
off of feeling and emotion as opposed to

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the traditional notation of music, and
so I was really Yeah. So as

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I as I continue, I'm getting
better, Like I'm picking up different instruments

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and learning a little more like bass
guitar. I really gravitate too, so

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I've been learning that more. But
yeah, it's all just feeling. It's

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just like feeling based. Yeah.
No, I really liked that, and

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I feel like I definitely hear that
three year music. I feel like I

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could I feel like I could compare
it to like kind of Sizza or Cuckoa

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type of energy, but I really
like it. But anyways, Tina,

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I think you got some questions as
well. Yes, awesome, thank you

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so much for you know, sharing
your insight on these questions. And so

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my thing is more like wanting to
know the acting part of it, because

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I've been a fan of Reservation Dogs
in season one and learned that you composed

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for season one and season two,
and then you acted in season three as

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a young Bucky, and that was
really cool to see them bring back everyone

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in a different light in a different
way, a younger person, a younger

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self of them, which is really
cool when you think about so like our

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parents. You know, my mom
she passed just very recently in February,

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and you know a lot of thoughts
have been going through my mind about just

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remembering her when she was just young, she was a young mom, and

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how she was and just all these
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and think of my mom's entire life. But I just thought it was cool

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that they were able to do something
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What does all certain things stem from
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selves. So my question is with
acting, what was that atmosphere like for

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you, and you just said recently, how this is kind of something you're

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starting to get more into. Well, how has that path been. Yeah,

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that's a great question. I'm sorry
to hear by your mom too.

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I Yeah, So I composed the
first I composed all the seasons for res

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Dogs, and so I felt I
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because you think about it, like, all I'm doing musically is just trying

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to service like the narrative and push
it forward. And then with acting it's

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just the same thing. It's like, how can I perform to the best

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of my abilities to make sure the
story is getting told, which to me

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was so cool because it's just decision
making. It's like, Okay, well

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I'm gonna fidget. I'm going to
like work on my fidgeting because I know

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that this will, you know,
accentuate that there's going to be a nervousness

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that's going to come later because I
haven't told my boyfriend that there's an iguana

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in the closet, or you know, just like you know, you just

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like think about the little minutia of
like how to, how to, how

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to further something. So I thought
that was really cool. I'm a really

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big nerd about that acting for the
show was really really really special. I

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think it's so fun. I'm young
for this stuff, and like, I

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feel like I've like hit my peak
with a lot of things within the industry,

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at least from a native perspective of
like being on that show and working

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on it. I'm kind of like
i've been. I've been telling people,

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I'm like I might retire, Like
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I've kind of done all that.
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But I think with with acting in
Red Dogs. So I was supposed

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to be in season two and I
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influencer and I got cast and everything. It was gonna be the whole thing.

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And so I flew to Tulsa.
I showed up on set, or

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I showed up to like, you
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I got there, I took a
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that, and I tested positive and
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which was really whack. But I
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and so I you know, I
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the other folks and they're like,
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for season three. Now. I'm
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yeah, when season three came around, and I I'm like, I would

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get the scripts beforehand, so I
could, you know, start working on

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the music before they even shot the
show. And so yeah, then I

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got a casting call for Young Bucky
and I was like, okay, cool.

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felt like I felt really grateful and
also like a responsibility because the show is

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you know, I know what it
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a Native and as a Lakota and
everything, and I know what it means

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to Indian Country and just to you
know, people and even non natives who've

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like had an affinity towards Native people
or no people or you know, believe

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in us and you know, and
so it was really cool. I was

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like, Okay, well, I
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I just studied and studied and studied, and you know, studying West study

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and his mannerisms and studying the story
and everything, and so it was it

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was really a great experience and it
was fun doing a different decade too,

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like this with the seventies and stuff. Yeah, you're right, I mean

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it was kind of like it was
paying homage to folks who came before.

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And the way that time is explored
in the third season is really I think

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representation of how natives see time and
generations. And every time I'm back home

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or every time I'm with family or
talking with friends about the culture or just

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anything, it's all we always think
genealogically, right, It's always kind of

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like, oh, well, so
and so is them, and so therefore

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it's this, and it's that,
but also therefore, but they were adopted,

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but they're blah blah blah blah blah, and so it's really cool.

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Like so to to show that on
screen was really special, and being those

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actors and yeah, Bucky was just
it was great. And it was full

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circle too, because recently I got
to meet Wes Cud for the first time.

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I went to Uh, he's in
a play, Larissa fast Horse's play

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I'm forgetting the name right now,
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in Minneapolis recently, and so we
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each other after he got off stage, and it was great. He's like,

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oh, you played me. I
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it's so weird, and yeah,
so it was really cool. It was

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just like a great experience. And
I'm and I love I love acting just

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for the performativity of it, and
you know, entertaining is great putting on

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a show. And what's cool about
acting too is I think it's with any

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art form, you just you you
walk away learning more about yourself, which

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I think is a really cool thing, and it gives you empathy for people

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too, So it's just a very
like human it's a really human art form,

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and it's a really Buddhist art form, like being in the moment,

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you know, and understanding, like
just being present, being mindful, and

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it's there's it's a very meditative thing
about that too. So I love those

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crafts and I'm really grateful to be
able to do it. But I'm also

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like, I'm not around town saying
I'm an actor. Let's just keep it

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real. I feel like I act
for my friends. My friends made Red

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Dogs so I acted for that,
and my friends doing film, so I

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act for that. So it's not
something I'm like dropping music to do.

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It's just it's a it's a nice. It's a nice compliment to music.

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I guess, awesome. Well,
thank you for you know. And it's

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funny to hear because I would have
assumed that you had met Wes prior to

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you know, the whole being him. But yeah, that's interesting to know.

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But I know, Miah, I
had a couple of questions for you,

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so I'm gonna hand it over to
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My first question would be what was
your inspiration on becoming a music artist?

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My inspiration, I think the biggest
inspiration was to express myself. I

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didn't really find a way to do
that before making music. I was doing

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a little bit of acting in high
school and stuff, but I never really

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lashed onto it. And I was
just getting into trouble a lot, and

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I wasn't doing well in school and
just you know, all the things of

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being a kid and being a troubled
youth, I guess, and so I

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just didn't have a good way to
express myself. And so with music,

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the moment I recorded my voice,
it was like, Okay, this feels

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like the right thing to do.
It felt like a good outlet, and

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that was kind of the biggest inspiration. And then there was the second fold

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was like, well, I have
a duty to represent the people that raised

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me and that support me. And
so that was inherently like my you know,

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my just family, you know,
and Lacota it's like a kiuahe and

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there's like tiosh Bay it's like the
you know, extended family, and so

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I felt a duty to represent them. What was cool about it too,

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Like there's like expressing yourself and representing
your community, and those aren't those aren't

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mutually exclusive things, but sometimes they
do kind of contradict each other, which

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I love. I love that gray
area, like ooh, it's just good.

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It's like that conversation. It's like
that is weird. It's strange.

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It's like I do believe in decolonizing, but I also want to private jet.

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You know. It's like these things
and like not saying I want that,

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but it's just it's an interesting like
it's just that kind of you know

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that that that that choreography between those
two things, and so I do I'm

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I like that, and I like
opening up a conversation and asking a question

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and not necessarily answering it. And
that's kind of what I think. Some

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of my music in my art has
become recently is kind of that dialogue,

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which is which I think is really
fun and really interesting. Thank you.

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And going back to Young Bucky,
did you have to audition for the role?

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I did. Yeah, I did
two rounds of auditions for it,

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so yeah, I had to audition, so I kind of to prepare.

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I just got in the mind of
young Bucky what I thought he might be,

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and then when I actually got the
role is when I like really started

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studying too, getting down all the
little things of Wes and his mannerisms and

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stuff like that. But yeah,
ironically too, I actually didn't do any

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music for that episode. Like there
it was all in like the industry.

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It's called like needle drop music,
which is like licensed music and so and

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then I do the original music for
the show. But yeah, there was

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no original music for the show,
which I thought was kind of funny.

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But Sterlin was like, I think
you've done enough for this episode. I

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was like, yeah, okay,
my last one will be what are your

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plans now that the series has ended? Well back in that unemployment life and

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so be kind into the offices and
figuring out some no I don't know,

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well, I got some immediate immediate
plans pre kind of alluded to earlier on

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with like tours and an album and
stuff like that, So that's kind of

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what's on the the main stuff.
But I think it's interesting. I think

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the way Red Dogs was for me
was kind of the biggest thing. It

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was was a time stamp in terms
of my life, because the past three

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years very it's like college kind of
like springtime was like prep and then summer

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was you know, in sessions.
So I was really working hard the last

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three summers, and then fall time, like right around now was like okay,

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unwinding a little bit, and then
winter was kind of you know,

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uh, revamping. So that was
the past three years for me. So

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now that that's over, that it's
going to look differently with different projects.

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I mean, that was kind of
the trippiest part. I was like,

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man, that was a really that
was a whirlwind of life. And now

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it's over and it's just keep a
pushing and I'll be working with a lot

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of the cats who made the show
still, and you know, those are

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some of my you know, really
close people in my life, so I'm

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grateful for that. But yeah,
I think the biggest thing is like everything

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I've learned from the show. I
would hope to continue to you know,

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uh, just strengthen those skills and
then also start to like give them to

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other people, you know, like
to start passing that stuff on and all

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that all that knowledge and hopefully,
you know, we're making my own shows

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and stuff too. So everything I've
learned has been really helpful. Awesome,

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Thank you. I appreciate your answers
that all the questions I wanted to ask.

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All right, okay, so I
just have a couple of questions concerning

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like collaborating people. Well, first
I thought it must have been so I

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don't know, incredible, amazing,
life changing to work with people like the

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fourteen ninety ones. These are all
people like I grew up watching, and

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so to know that you were able
to work with them is so crazy,

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people like Gary Farmer. So first
of all, how it was that?

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And then secondly, are there any
could be music or just in film,

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TV, anyone you were hoping to
collaborate with in the future. Yeah,

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it was. It was. Yeah, it was such a special experience getting

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to work with those cats, and
like, yeah, Sterlin is like my

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big brother uncle now and he's just
giving me such like good insight on everything,

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and yeah, it was very special, and you know, I think,

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yeah, growing up seeing their stuff
and knowing that how it could be

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like expanded on, you know,
like in terms of just like Facebook videos

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and then becoming a real show is
like so cool to me. You know,

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like it was a really exciting thing
to bear witness too, and to

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be a part of it too is
really cool. So it's kind of like

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it was a good lesson in like
believing in yourself and like don't you don't

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have to you know, compromise your
vision and like your culture too, which

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is a big thing too, which
I thought was really cool about those guys.

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And yeah, they're all really great. I met I think everyone.

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Yeah, I recently just met Ryan
for the first time. Ryan Redcorn.

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It's such a weirdo. I love
him so much. It was so great

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to just yeah, and there's a
lot of osage a la cota crossovers too.

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We like come from the same language
group, so it was like fun

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to compare. But yeah, it
was. It was really great to work

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with them, you know, And
I really they just opened up my world

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to the opportunities of stuff and they
never made me was just I think The

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best part about that group and a
lot of a lot of Native artists that

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I look up to, is that
there's no like threshol told to be like

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Native or like Lakota or whatever tribe
you're from, you know, And they

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really they picked that apart. They
dissect it. You know, there's traditional

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values, but there isn't. They
don't have this idea of a traditional Native,

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specifically traditional Native man, because they
deal with a lot and with engendered

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stuff, which I think is great
because they just picked that. They just

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that's you know, Dallas's character in
the show is to just like crack that

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open and subvert expectations, which is
great because I've never felt like a Native

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man. I've always felt different,
you know, and I feel like every

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man native man has probably felt that
too. You know. We're all just

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trying to be the version of what
people expect Native men to be, which

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is like it's hilarious and just so
insecureus but I love it. But yeah,

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so I think that's really cool that
they do that. And in terms

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of collaborating with other people, yeah, I mean with this album, there's

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been a lot of people who I
got to work with that I was really

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stoked on Tommy Pico and Skyhopinka and
a couple of these different artists who who

408
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.960
I've always looked up to. I
think moving forward, there's a few people

409
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.799
that I would love to like get
in the room with and just really talk

410
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.160
about things. And but I don't
know. I love working with my friends.

411
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.200
I think that's my favorite thing,
and so continuing just to make stuff

412
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.880
with my friends. It's a woman
named Mollie who worked on the show.

413
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:23.279
She did some of the music for
the Dear Lady episodes, so it would

414
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:29.160
be really cool to work with her. I always love what my friend Shunding

415
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.799
Tom is doing, so checking in
with her to see what the vibes are

416
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.880
and always doing some stuff. And
then Raven Chacone is someone who I've loved

417
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.680
to work with too, And there's
a lot, there's a long list of

418
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.599
folks, so we're gonna be if
I if I go too much. But

419
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.680
yeah, I love I mean,
I really admire the work that's being done

420
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:55.960
by Native artists right now. So
yeah, anyway I can contribute and collaborate

421
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.319
and be honored to do that.
So how do you side on the themes

422
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:06.319
or topics for your songs? Yeah, so I typically start, I just

423
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.400
kind of mess around a little bit, you know, I'll open my little

424
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.799
I'll say a prayer. I'm joking. I don't know. Always maybe sometimes,

425
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.799
but I yeah, I don't know. I just kind of tinker.

426
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.000
I think I'm like, I just
tinker a lot. Like That's how I've

427
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.839
made all my music, is just
kind of messing around and like figuring it

428
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.480
out. And I think I'm sure. I mean, you all are artists,

429
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.319
respectively, so you all know this
feeling of like it's just letting go,

430
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:41.279
letting go of any like and like
inhibition, just going for something and

431
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.519
like letting I think Stevie Wonder said, like letting God in the room or

432
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.880
something like that, and like letting
the universe or creator Tim Goshla or whatever,

433
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:55.559
like letting that force take over and
just now you're just communicating it.

434
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.680
And so for me, that's music. Like I'll play a bass line or

435
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.160
something and it's like, I don't
know this is going, but I'm not

436
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.559
even going to decide. I'm just
going to go with it. The only

437
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.559
time I can't think of something is
when I go in with intention, and

438
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.720
it's kind of the irony of it. It's like like recently, actually,

439
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:18.720
I was playing some new music for
my sister and she's like, yeah,

440
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.519
it's cool. It's cool. And
I love playing music for people that don't

441
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.519
necessarily like my music too. Not
to say she doesn't like my music,

442
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.759
but she doesn't. She's not ever
historically like my music. Now she's coming

443
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.160
around to, which is cool.
Like I love my sister and I love

444
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.880
her for that, just the honesty. So I was playing her some of

445
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:37.960
the music and she's like, it's
cool. I like it. Okay,

446
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.319
it's dope. I was like,
thank you, and she's like, where's

447
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:42.640
the banger though? And I was
like what do you mean. She's like,

448
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:48.680
where's the banger? Like there's not
a banger here? And I was

449
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.319
like okay, word and so like
literally like the next few days I went,

450
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.920
I got I started making music,
and I was like, I got

451
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.680
to make a banger, but nothing
came out. You know. I was

452
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.720
just perceptually constipated, is a good
way to put it. Like I had

453
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.880
nothing because I just was going in
with too much intention And so I've learned

454
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.160
with me and create creativity and stuff. I just gotta go and I can't

455
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.640
have an expected outcome when it's my
own stuff. Scoring is a different story.

456
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.839
But for me, like my own
stuff, I just try to,

457
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.119
yeah, just kind of go in
with just an open mind to different ideas

458
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.119
and things like that. And so
yeah, that's typically how it goes.

459
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.640
But like technically, I'll start usually
with drums, and then I'll start with

460
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.079
the chord progression and then I'll mumble
into the mic and record like you know,

461
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.079
cadences and stuff like that, and
yeah, and then my buddy's just

462
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.000
coming and you know, get their
freak on. They just do whatever.

463
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.839
You know, they'll play stuff or
rap or sing and everything like that.

464
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.240
But yeah, let's usually how it
goes. Hey, sweetie, how you

465
00:32:49.440 --> 00:33:04.400
doing. This is Reservation Dog's original
soundtrack by my to yuh Dake. Three.

466
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.960
Yes switched Slans, I ain't been
the same since, and no a

467
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.480
neck pissed man because I stayed breaking
not in modes. Yes switched Slans.

468
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.039
I ain't been the same since.
And though the neck pissed man because I

469
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.119
stayed breaking not in mode. I
tripped the globe and mop the flow without

470
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.519
a competition. All my pops is
what his focus. He ain't not no

471
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.920
pot to pissing. So I'm pissing
till my crops go top of in one

472
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.519
hundred million when they talking should I
take it? There's a compliment. I

473
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.000
went for the vision of the kissing
those prisons who had no choice, but

474
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.599
the region not being in the field
where its teams don't wring it with the

475
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.039
grass stay green and the greens they
hitting this tooms day. Now I'm a

476
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.119
new killing that blam with the feelings
go missing up sent it with the green

477
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.680
till you we just all finished.
I came, I saw could you get

478
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:59.720
it? Yeah, So composing is
basically so it's creating the original music for

479
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:07.960
a show. So any of the
like you know, intense like anytime you

480
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:10.280
like hear that stuff in Red Dog's
that was me making the music. But

481
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.480
then when you hear you know,
Redbone come and get your love, you

482
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.079
know, I still gotta tell folks
like I didn't make that song, like

483
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:24.159
that was not uh but yeah,
so I so I do the original music

484
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:30.000
for it basically. So it's kind
of like orchestral stuff and things that are

485
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.239
like kind of it can be under
the radar, which sometimes is like the

486
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:37.360
point of it. But yeah,
so that's kind of And so I've always

487
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.440
produced my own music. So I
make all of the music that you hear,

488
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.360
so that lent itself nicely to composing, because that's you know, it's

489
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.039
not my face. I'm not rapping. For the most part, I'm not

490
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.280
singing. It's just the music.
It's just like the literal music being played.

491
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.000
So that's what I do for different
shows. In terms of the Disney

492
00:34:53.039 --> 00:35:01.800
Plus show, not legally allowed to
talk about it, but with different pride.

493
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.199
Well, I can't talk about a
Disney short film I just did though,

494
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:10.280
it's called The Roof Starring West and
so that, for instance, they

495
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.199
I talk with the directors and the
filmmakers and it's like, what kind of

496
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.480
a vibe are we looking to accomplish
here? It's like, well something for

497
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:25.079
that specifically for the Disney for the
Disney Plus short film, we want something

498
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:32.639
intimate and you know, feels like
home and warm, a little metallic,

499
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.320
which those words are great, like
little adjectives like that. That helps me

500
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.519
so much. Like I want a
fuzzy sound. It's like, oh,

501
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.639
got you, got you, got
you. And so those are the types

502
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:51.440
of conversations that happened between the director
and myself as a composer, and so

503
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.480
yeah, and then I just make
the music and kind of hand it in.

504
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.360
They might have some notes here there, and so that's kind of how

505
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:02.199
it goes, like back and forth. And then typically, you know this,

506
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.800
this soundtrack, the original soundtrack will
come out on streaming services and stuff.

507
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:13.760
And that is my shameless plug segue
to say that Friday, November three,

508
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:20.039
the Reservation Dog Season three soundtrack comes
out on all streaming platforms. Take

509
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.639
a listen, let me not you
think. And I know you recently came

510
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.000
up with a new album. Can
you please tell us more about that?

511
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.079
Well, yeah, so I have
a new album coming out. It's called

512
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.320
Stank Faced Standing Soldier, and I've
been working on that. I'd like to

513
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:43.360
say my whole life basically, but
I think it's you know, I lost

514
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.119
my dad a couple of years ago
and that this album has been how I've

515
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:52.719
gotten through that, and so I'm
eager for it to come out. It

516
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.000
was, you know, slated to
come out earlier in the year, but

517
00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:00.840
some fortunate things have happened where it's
it's stalled it and so I just gotta

518
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.679
be patient. But yeah, so
that's coming, that's that's forthcoming, and

519
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.880
I'm going on tour with she Test
Scott. She Tests guys a good friend

520
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.719
of mine. We've known each other
for a few years now, and yeah,

521
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.119
we're We just did a song called
Veils that he released, which is

522
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.719
streaming everywhere. Now, I'm a
rapper, Like, I love rapping,

523
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.079
Like that's how I got into this
stuff, That's how exit this stuff.

524
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.159
But yeah, so I I just
love rapping. So it's so fun to

525
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.960
write that verse and it's a it's
just nerdy. It's like tinkering, it's

526
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.280
like wordplay. I just love that
stuff. It's like I'm touching it almost.

527
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.440
It's like, so hmm, I
love that stuff. So yeah,

528
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.440
that was really fun to be a
part of. And yeah, crazy stuff.

529
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:51.280
But yeah, how do you feel
your music has evault since you first

530
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:58.280
started making music? That's a good
question. I think I gravitated to,

531
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.360
you know, rapping and singing a
lot in the beginning, and then I

532
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:10.320
kind of transition more to like focusing
on the musical the musicality of my songs,

533
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.280
and I think that just came with
learning more about producing and stuff like

534
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.719
that. So I'm grateful that I'm
at a point now where I feel very

535
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.920
all encompassing, like I can really
make a song on my own, and

536
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.519
with that, I'm looking forward to
the next chapters of my you know,

537
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.880
careers and stuff where I can like
open it up more and work with more

538
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.760
people. But yeah, I'm just
grateful, you know. I think the

539
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:39.440
best part about art is that it's
your scrapbook for your life. And I

540
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:45.559
can go to any one of my
albums and listen to it and know exactly

541
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.199
where I'm at emotionally and spiritually at
that time in my life. And I'm

542
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.199
grateful that I was just that honest
with my music. And I always tell,

543
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:59.519
you know, younger folks who ask
me for advice about music or any

544
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.840
of this, is I just like
be honest, like be really, be

545
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.000
really honest. With this new album. There's one song that I made and

546
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:13.159
it was like, you know,
ooh, the wound was like fresh in

547
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.440
terms of what I experienced to write
this song, and I made it and

548
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.920
then I was like, this is
really cool. But I was really I

549
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:27.039
was really unsure about putting it on
the record because it felt so honest,

550
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.599
it felt so admitting of a lot, and I was like, I was

551
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.920
playing it to my buddy and I
was talking to him and I was like

552
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.880
I think I need to do that. I need to go for the go

553
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.519
towards the discomfort of putting it out, because that's the only way that I'll

554
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.480
grow, and that's the only way
it'll connect with people too. And that's

555
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:49.079
kind of like these these things I've
learned in my career with releasing vulnerable music.

556
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.880
So that's all to say that,
Yeah, like I've seen it evolve

557
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.559
in a way of like people feel
comforted by my vulnerability. And I don't

558
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.599
think artists should ever feel obligated to
do that. I think you should have

559
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.559
your own relationship with what you put
forth to the world, because once you

560
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:06.800
let it go, it's not yours
anymore. It's the world's. And so

561
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.840
I think making that decision is very
crucial and I think you should take time

562
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.280
to think about it. I just
know for me personally, like the way

563
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:19.400
I the way I communicate to the
universe is like pure just I gotta be

564
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.639
real about it. I don't care
if I'm right, I don't care if

565
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:23.639
I'm wrong. I just got to
be like completely honest about what's going on,

566
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.519
what the story I'm trying to tell. And so, yeah, I

567
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:35.280
think that evolution has been really cool
to see just being honest and being vulnerable

568
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.320
and you know, expressive and everything
like that. I think, you know,

569
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:44.840
it brings humanity to which I'm grateful
for. So you know, when

570
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.519
I was doing research on you as
well, and I came upon like you

571
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.280
did this interview and you talked kind
of we're putting it out there that whoever

572
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.800
wants to do like a romantic or
love music or you know, a genre,

573
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.159
You're a kind of putting that out
there. Is that still something?

574
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.800
Is that still how you feel?
Have you found the right people to work

575
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.079
with on something like that? No, no one took the bait, bro,

576
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.679
I'm going to do myself. Like
everything in my life I was doing

577
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.679
myself. No I yeah, No, there hasn't. Well that's not true.

578
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:27.880
Actually that's not entirely true. I
have like I am going to be

579
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.159
a part of something from an acting
standpoint that is a romance. So I'm

580
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.400
excited for that. But no,
musically, no, no one has.

581
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.519
It's kind of heady for me to
be, like, someone write me a

582
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.400
script that I can scarre But yeah, so I gotta I guess I'll have

583
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.599
to take it upon myself to to
actualize that. But yeah, yeah,

584
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.000
I do. I love romance like
it's crazy, Like what the hell,

585
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:58.119
I don't know what part of me. I've just always been open to the

586
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.800
idea of doing that stuff, and
I think are like, yeah, they're

587
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:07.519
beautiful and they're they're real. They're
like a lot of times resolute too,

588
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.360
like they don't have the outcome you'd
expect, which is kind of beautiful,

589
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.440
I think, very tragic in a
way. But yeah, No, I

590
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:19.920
have not been asked to compose anything
romantically yet, so I'm gonna but when

591
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.119
I do, you'll be the first
person I tell, Yes, tell me

592
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.920
I want to hear it. Yeah, still putting it out there once again,

593
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.280
you know, to all the listeners
out there, you know somebody who

594
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:37.400
knows somebody who knows somebody. All
right, well, uh so tell us

595
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.599
when are you going on tour?
When is it that you're actually going to

596
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:45.760
be coming here to Phoenix? Yeah, I mean the tour is going to

597
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.840
be great. To the Moon and
Back Tour tickets available now or play in

598
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.199
Phoenix, Arizona, November ninth at
the Rebel Lounge. It's gonna be a

599
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.920
great show. Yeah, I'd love
to see all there. Let me know

600
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:04.360
and we'll figure out tickets. Some
worry about talk off off Arabic. Actually,

601
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:08.880
November ninth is is MEA's birthday.
It's exciting. Wow, happy early

602
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.519
birthday. That's my sister's birthday too. There you go that Scorpiu. I

603
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:22.119
just celebrated my birthday a couple I'm
still rapping high from that. Yeah,

604
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:29.039
appreciate appreciate it. Let's go Happy
early birthday, Yemiya. I hope you

605
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:30.159
make it out to the show.
Also, if you don't want to do

606
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:37.159
that on your birthday, definitely don't. So anyway, Yeah, so the

607
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.559
tour, The tour is gonna be
fun. I'm excited to just get out

608
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:46.000
there and you know, play music
again. And I this summer was cool.

609
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.119
I was working a lot. It
was really the summer just flew by.

610
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.639
I was like doing a lot of
different stuff. But I did get

611
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.119
to do like three festivals for a
lot of people, you know, like

612
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.239
thousands of people for some of them, and that was a really fun experience

613
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.360
to do that. With that,
I'm also excited to go back to like

614
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.159
the more intimate stuff, to like
play for folks who came to see you

615
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.280
right just to see you, which
I think is really cool. So I'm

616
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.320
excited for that and then afterwards,
you know, yeah, I'm just excited

617
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.000
to to I don't know, to
go back to the drawing board of like

618
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.440
my creativity and like figuring more stuff
out. And my life has changed so

619
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:29.360
much in the past year. It's
accelerated, which I'm grateful for. It's

620
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.400
kind of like gotten faster, and
with that comes like, you know,

621
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.000
different opportunities, but also like you
got to keep your feet on the ground

622
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.400
a little bit, you know,
and I think for me, my way

623
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.480
of doing that is seeing family.
So I've been spending a lot of time

624
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.280
with family this past year, which
has been really good, going back to

625
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:53.440
the res and also seeing family on
the East Coast, and that's been really

626
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.679
good for me. Is like seeing
family and being a part of their lives

627
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.480
and everything like that, and so
yeah, it was, Uh, those

628
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.400
are kind of my next steps,
and I'm looking forward to acting and stuff

629
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:13.000
and being trusted, I guess is
really cool with like your art, which

630
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.559
is really I'm just really grateful for. So yeah, that's been Those are

631
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.559
some things I'm super I'm super stoked
on and just making more stuff, you

632
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.840
know, I just love I'm the
best version of myself when my hands are

633
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.639
in the clay pod and and sculpting
and forming and things like that. So

634
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.039
it's always fun to me. So
how has your family reacted to your success

635
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.000
or people back at home, Like, how do they feel about all this?

636
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:44.199
I mean, because you've definitely you're
doing big things right now in the

637
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:51.119
world. Yeah, that's a good
question. They I think any artists can

638
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.360
probably relate to this, where it's
like your family never really knows what you're

639
00:45:54.440 --> 00:46:00.679
doing. You'll try to tell them, but it might not translate. He's

640
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.280
just like, oh yeah for a
long time, Like my family's like,

641
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.480
oh, he's just in Cali.
That's like what it just was like lehido

642
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.079
folks back home like or back on
the Reds, it's like, oh,

643
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:15.199
he's just in Cali, Like how's
Cali's kind of like just like idea of

644
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:22.239
the state. And I always be
like it's good. But yeah, I

645
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.880
they're there's they're supportive, they're you
know, they're stoked, and I'm grateful

646
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.960
for that. I'm really grateful for
that. I do what I can to

647
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:37.360
make them proud, and I do
what I can to like provide opportunities for

648
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.199
my family, and I'm really grateful
for that, you know, because I

649
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:46.679
think a lot of any opportunity I
get, I feel like is a way

650
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:57.800
to pay homage and to kind of
for my relatives and my ancestors to live

651
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.840
through those experiences as well, because
a lot of you know, I think

652
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:07.159
about my grandparents. I have like
recordings of them singing these traditional Lacota songs,

653
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.920
like these sweat lodge songs and stuff, and I'm like, man,

654
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.719
they're just beautiful voices, and like
that's where I got mine from. And

655
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.599
I don't even think mine is beautiful, but I know that's where I got

656
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:23.400
the spirit from, you know.
And so it was It's really cool to

657
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.719
be able to do that because I
always feel like, you know, I'm

658
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.400
just like a vessel for the for
those folks who had those same dreams.

659
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.679
And I think, you know,
because I try to operate in that way.

660
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.400
It's like I think, you know, my family can feel that too,

661
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:44.360
you know. And I think when
I was younger, I felt like

662
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.760
I had to save the world a
little bit, or save Indian country and

663
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:53.599
stuff. And you know, I
I love my people too much to ever

664
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.519
try to understand them, and so
I think now I'm just at a point

665
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.639
of like showing love and showing support
and also yeah, just making my music.

666
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.639
And I think my family has gravitated
to it, especially now it's easier

667
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.519
for them to point to stuff a
little bit. Like Ray I don't know

668
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:15.239
if y'all know she did the show
Insecure. Have you heard of that show

669
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.320
at all? It's on like HBO. She has a she's like a writer

670
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:21.639
and she does like a lot of
comedy stuff. But she had this great

671
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:23.400
interview where she was like, Yeah, my family never knew what I did

672
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.320
until I was like on Oprah and
they're like, oh, you're on Oprah,

673
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.480
like you do art like it could
they could digest that a little more,

674
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.960
which I think has been a little
bit of my life too. I

675
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.880
think before Red Dog's people were like
you just kind of like what are you

676
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:42.760
doing exactly? And and I was
always like trust me, like come on,

677
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.760
guys, like I'll figure this out. And then I got that opportunity

678
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.440
and then people could like point to
it a little It's like something they could

679
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.159
like tangibly see. I was like, Oh, that's what you're doing,

680
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.559
which you know, people need that. People need those types of those markers

681
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.360
a little bit. So overall,
to answer your question, Yeah, they're

682
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:05.039
they're happy about it, which I'm
grateful for. If you could give advice

683
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.599
to your younger self when you were
just starting out, what would it be.

684
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:16.400
My biggest advice I think would be
two, don't feel pressure, I

685
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.880
guess to figure it out. I
think take your time whatever that may be,

686
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.920
whether it be like you're figuring out
like a recipe or trying to be

687
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.159
a pop star or trying to be
a you know, go to the moon,

688
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.440
whatever whatever have you. Like.
I think, yeah, being patient

689
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.159
with yourself is a really good thing
that I learned. It's hard, it's

690
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.880
like the hardest thing because I'm very
antsy, fidgety, like I want to

691
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.079
get things done and blah blah blah
blah blah. But I think being patient

692
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:51.519
has been really helpful for me.
And I think building horizontally is a really

693
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.280
uh, you know, valuable thing
that I learned early on. And what

694
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.920
that means is, you know,
I think there's a way to build vertic,

695
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.760
which is kind of like reaching or
like trying to have like upward mobility

696
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.719
in terms of like whether that be
like you know, I don't know,

697
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.960
going into like starting as an intern
and then building your way up. That's

698
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.880
a way to do it, and
I think there is a lot of merit

699
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.599
in doing it that way. I'm
someone who did the other way, which

700
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:24.000
is like horizontal. So it's like, you know, my friend who doesn't

701
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.840
want to even make movies, but
can you hold the mic? My other

702
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.280
friend, can you press record?
My other friend? Can you you know

703
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:36.440
what I mean? So that's like
seeing what was available to me and then

704
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.280
making with that and then slowly kind
of like gradually building, and then you

705
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.760
start meeting new friends and stuff and
like who are at your same like status,

706
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:51.440
and then going from there. And
and I think when you are creating

707
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.960
from a place of like expression,
And also I didn't want to compromise my

708
00:50:54.079 --> 00:51:00.639
vision it was it lends itself well
for me to build hohrores onto and just

709
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.400
build with who you have around you
know. Also I think like creating your

710
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:09.559
own definition of success is something that
can help you. You know, if

711
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.840
you want to make money. If
you just want to make money, that's

712
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.199
okay, Like I want to be
famous to make money, I want to

713
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.039
be rich, and then it's like
okay, cool, at least you know

714
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.119
now so you can make decisions informed
on like your what you want. You

715
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:28.480
know, if you want to just
like bring awareness to native culture or to

716
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.559
you know, different like activist efforts, then it's like okay, cool,

717
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.440
you know what you want and that
can change. But in the beginning,

718
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.920
if you just can, if you're
able to like articulate that a little bit

719
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:43.480
to yourself, like I I with
this effort, I want this outcome,

720
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:45.760
and it's like okay, cool,
and then go from there. And then

721
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:52.119
also to contradict myself, don't expect
anything, like literally like don't like the

722
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.519
world doesn't know you anything. That
was something that was helpful for me too,

723
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.239
Like why am I getting what I
want? Well, it's like,

724
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.719
because no one owes you anything,
you got to create it yourself. And

725
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.199
I thought that was a really valuable
thing I learned too. It's a hard

726
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.480
truth, but it's also liberating in
a way because it's like now I can

727
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.840
just create really what I want,
you know. But I do think,

728
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.800
yeah, having your definition of success
is helpful. I knew for me personally,

729
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:21.960
like I just wanted to make the
best stuff possible, and so that's

730
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.239
helped me inform every decision I make
is like that. You know, It's

731
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.559
like, well, because I'm out
a place now where I get I get

732
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:32.159
options, I get opportunities, and
I get choices have to be have to

733
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:35.679
be made in terms of what I
do with my art and my career.

734
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:37.119
And it's like, well, it's
just going to get me to make the

735
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.079
best thing possible. And if it
isn't, then no, thank you.

736
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.079
If it is, let's do it. So Yeah, that's some advice that

737
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.119
I can give to I think,
yes, just to find your like what

738
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.719
it is you want to do?
All right, Well, thank you so

739
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.360
much Tomato for being with us here
today and answering our questions. It was

740
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.199
a pleasure speaking with you, and
we wish you good luck on your upcoming

741
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.239
tour. And if you have any
other information you'd like to share about what

742
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:06.159
you have coming up, please feel
free to share. Yeah, So to

743
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.480
the Moon and Back tour hit in
the US in a couple of days running

744
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:16.559
around. You can buy tickets at
mato yu he dot net. That's mato

745
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:22.320
yu he dot net. Some more
music coming out. Reservation Dog season three

746
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:29.079
soundtrack drops Friday, November three.
On All the Things. I'll be playing

747
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:30.960
those songs on tour as well,
so you should check those out. Will

748
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:37.320
be fun. Yeah, if you
have any inclination to write romance or romantic

749
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:44.519
comedies up, no where to find
me on all the things I'm willing to.

750
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:52.360
Let's have a conversation. Are the
the you know this this blooming of

751
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:58.079
like indigenous romance or non indigenous whatever. I'm not picky. We'll figure it

752
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:04.960
out. It will. We're manifesting
that good energy. Yeah, it's it's

753
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.639
going to happen. I appreciate that
it's going to happen. Yes, it's

754
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:15.719
we're manifesting it for you right now. Yes. Did you also want to

755
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:22.320
give any shout outs to anyone out
there? Shout out to you know what?

756
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.199
Okay, wait, wait what about
this? Okay, check me out,

757
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.880
check me out? All right,
So I won't say who in my

758
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.760
family there is someone with COVID right
now. They're doing okay, they're they're

759
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.800
all right, but they're they're locked
in their room right now. There there.

760
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.000
We we text every day making sure
it's all good. It's their first

761
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:47.239
time getting COVID and their their significant
other their wife, uh has COVID now

762
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.840
too. So there's something there romantically
like what it what it is? What?

763
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:57.639
What is it? To expose yourself
to the illness to like to be

764
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.000
closer to this person. There might
be something there. I'll have to ask

765
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.960
you if I can use that intellectual
property. But yeah, all right,

766
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:07.199
Well, with that being said,
thank you all so much. Thank you

767
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:13.239
Brie for leading the conversation, and
to all you listeners out there, hopefully

768
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.199
you did enjoy and learn something new
about our guest. Once again, you

769
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.559
have been tuned in to the on
Autumn Young Voices podcast